Natalie's new lecture 05 on the 23rd of June 2007

Me: Good morning Claude.

Claude: Good morning to you.

Me: I have some questions for a change. When a person dies and leaves a loved one here on the Earth plane, when it is time for the loved one to return to the Spirit world, is the one who went before waiting to greet the loved one who is now returning and do they continue to be together.

Claude: Well it is instantaneous we are definitely right there for them. That sort of bond between people continues very strongly.

Me: When they go over to the other side.

Claude: Yes.

Me: It is not a physical relationship is it.

Claude: No it is not.

Me: So what you are saying is that when that person eventually goes over to the other side the other loved one is still there waiting for them and they then go off together.

Claude: Yes, there’s no level of love either, it’s just not partners, it can be family, it can be friends anyone who was very close.

Me: Well that’s good to know, because it’s very difficult sometimes to think of questions to ask you that are going to be interesting to other people, because earlier on Asa through Natalie had a little bit of a dig at me in an email a while ago regarding some of the questions that I ask because she knows that I know the answers but I am asking these questions for other people.

Claude: Asa’s point was more to anything that you could answer yourself with your guides.

Me: Alright, now what about animals, have you got animals on your side.

Claude: Yes, they are very simplistic Spirits.

Me: Alright, now when my dog died in February, she died on Sunday morning and on that Sunday night we heard her paws as she walked through the kitchen, so she also would be on the other side to greet me when it is my time to go.

Claude: Yes because bonds with animals are very simplistic it’s very pure. You see that human beings in Spirit know that it can be very worrying and frightening to the physical human being around as a Spirit with their loved ones but animals don’t have that sense.

Me: Okay, people out there do think about that, if their pets are going to be there when it is their time to go.

Claude: Definitely, if you have created a bond with your animal then Yes.

Me: That’s good to know. I was asked a question years and years ago, what about insects are there any of that sort of thing on your side.

Claude: Things like insects and fish are a very, very basic life form.

Me: They belong to the food chain.

Claude: Yes, they are simply like animal plants if you like in a sense.

Me: That’s fair enough. What I am trying to do at the moment is to clarify some of the rubbish that is being taught about the Spirit world.

Claude: That is a difficult field, Spirit forms a personality, you will see it in cats and dogs and other slightly higher life forms and they form their own distinct personalities and that indicates Spirit, but with insects they don’t have distinct personalities. It would be like asking if a tree has a Spirit and some people do actually believe that.

Me: I just believe that Spirit is in life and that’s it. It was the animal side that I was curious about because again it was George when he was alive that said animals do not exist on the world of Spirit.

Claude: How many hundreds and thousands of people have heard their animals after they have passed over, wandering through their house.

Me: We have heard all our dogs wandering through this house. But yes, that’s worth knowing because there’s people out there that have that special bond with their pets and it’s good for them that they are still there. I have always believed that animals are on Spirit side.

Claude: Seriously though, that is actually left over from the Christian and Catholic beliefs that animals don’t have a soul.

Me: When the Spirit returns to the Spirit world does it contemplate what it has done in its last life here.

Claude: Not often if you regain that sort of memory, but you never change being the person that you are even in your past lives you are still the person that you are so it doesn’t feel that you’ve lived as a different person and then lived as another person again. You’ve gone to sleep for a little while and then lived again; it’s sort of like that. Yes you can contemplate it.

Me: But you don’t worry about it do you.

Claude: No, what can you do about it.

Me: There’s an attitude out there that while you are on that side, Spirit side, you’re going to worry and be very regretful and upset where your past life is concerned, that is the bad things that you did of course.

Claude: No. Say that you have committed bloody murder or lived badly; there are no punishments worse than your own.

Me: Do you punish yourself when you are on your side because you have committed murder.

Claude: Not in a sense but you are fully aware of the implications of what you have done.

Me: It still doesn’t answer it.

Claude: It’s difficult to answer, when people think of self punishment they tend to think of flagellation and that sort of thing which is physically impossible. If you’ve lived terribly you’re left with that knowledge that you have lived terribly.

Me: But it’s not as if you are going to punish yourself for it is it, when you are on your side.

Claude: You are left with that sort of anguish which is a very terrible punishment.

Me: Okay, and does that eventually go over time.

Claude: It depends on the Spirit; you will be more inclined to return to try to live better.

Me: You mean, return back to the Earth plane.

Claude: Yes.

Me: Because I was just thinking about some of the terrible crimes that were committed in the Second World War by terrible people. So those people when they died would go over to the Spirit world and be quite uptight about the terrible things that they had done and then they come back to the Earth plane as soon as they possibly can to live a better life, in other words to cancel the past life out.

Claude: To sort of repent in a manner.

Me: That makes a lot of sense.

Claude: They would most likely choose harder lessons.

Me: As recompense.

Claude: Yes.

Me: When I was with the spiritualists for a little while they always used to call the Spirit world “the astral plane”, what is it called?

Claude: It really doesn’t have a name, you can call it whatever you like.

Me: Okay, now this is going to sound a stupid question but when you think about it it’s not. When the Spirit leaves the human body in the human death, is it wearing clothes or what?

Claude: No. Nudity is something that is just not an issue over here.

Me: So, if the Spirit wants to wear clothes, it can like you do.

Claude: Yes. It really comes down to looking as you wish to.

Me: So in other words when they pass over they are naked then and then they can dress themselves in whatever they want to wear, if they want to wear clothes.

Claude: Yes, they dress themselves as they want to appear as if they are a human being.

Me: Alright. Now, all of Natalie’s guides and my guides, they come and go as they please, but say for arguments sake a person was in bed with another person making love or whatever, does the Spirits stand there and watch or do they go off somewhere.

Claude: Again, it’s not an issue, there’s no rude or intrusion of privacy because privacy was only really invented because other people cannot be trusted. It’s very difficult to say because I know a lot of people will be disturbed by that.

Me: Yes they would be, but whether a person is disturbed about it or not is beside the point because it’s a question that needs to be asked.

Claude: It’s not likely that we would be around because we tend to be around only when we are needed.

Me: Yes, that’s more of the answer that I was looking for because it makes sense. Now, does Spirit eat or drink.

Claude: No, there’s no need because eating and drinking was a requirement of the physical body that you have occupied, Spirit does not require it.

Me: I didn’t think so, but like I said these are the questions that I think that people would like to know.

Claude: Yes, but where would we get our food.

Me: Because the world of Spirit is another dimension I would imagine that you’ve got trees and mountains and all that sort of thing.

Claude: Somewhat yes, it defies explanation it’s not something that I can really explain.

Me: Every time we try to ask what it’s like on your side the answer comes down to one thing that the human mind cannot accept the answer.

Claude: No it can’t as it’s not supposed to.

Me: No, people are busting their gut to find out.

Claude: Oh, they will find out every one of them will.

Me: But it’s far, far better than what it is here.

Claude: Oh yes.

Me:  Well that’s worth knowing. I remember George saying that when he passed over to Spirit side and contacted me again and he said that it far exceeded his expectations.

Claude: Have you ever wondered why people who briefly die see only a white light.

Me: I don’t believe that they see a white light.

Claude: Well, what they see is that are they are unable to comprehend with what they are actually seeing, their Spirit can comprehend it, but if they return back to their physical body then they are left with a gap and they will interpret that gap to be the most pleasing thing and most of the time it’s something simple as just light, simple pure truth.

Me: You get a lot of spiritualists and New Age people who talk about bathing themselves in the great white light.

Claude: No, that’s just a figment of their imagination, but from the people who nearly died it’s just their way of filling that gap where their memories cannot comprehend what they saw. But the spiritualist and New Age people can meditate on whatever they like, they can sit there and think about a can of coke if they like because it doesn’t matter what it is, if they need to meditate well that’ fine.

Me: Years ago I was taught that when a person dies they go to what is called the Halls of Rest, does that exist.

Claude: No, not really there isn’t a specific place you go, it’s all imagery they use and I’m very reluctant to name things like the halls of rest because you tend to instantly put an image to that and that’s not correct. There is no way of you imagining what it’s like. There is a period of time and there is nothing more distressing than dying and then being surrounded by other people who have just died and there all distressed together and that is not going to make you feel any better.

Me: I can accept that.

Claude: So you just tend to be surrounded by loved ones and in a lot of cases there are some people who feel like they don’t have anybody but they’ve still got Spirit, other Spirit’s around them whether they even knew that they were there.

Me: So when a person dies there is always somebody if not a group that are waiting for them.

Claude: Yes, well it’s just like a support group for those people who don’t have people who have passed before. It’s difficult but it’s the only way that I can describe. There are certain Spirits that just wait for new arrivals.

Me: Okay, now this is not so much a personal question but I have at the moment a problem with a lecture that I’m working on with a new Spirit called Clare, now correct me if I am right or wrong you have been in my den and you have seen this lecture whilst I have been working with it.

Claude: Yes.

Me: And you have read it haven’t you.

Claude: Yes.

Me: Do I put it up on my web site.

Claude: Not yet, because there is more to come with it and you will need to edit bits, but it’s just incomplete at the moment, particularly as she is a new guide because new guides have a tendency to do lectures in chunks, if that makes sense, because they cant hold on long enough to do the whole thing in one go particularly on a long lecture such as the one that you are working on with her.

(This particular lecture that Claude and I are talking about is now on my website under the Writings of Terence number 78 and it is more a lecture on the life of Clare. These sessions that I have with Claude and Natalie are tape recorded and when I have time I transfer the words from the audio tape to the computer which can take up a lot of time to do, hence there can be a time difference between my lectures and the lectures of Claude).

Me: This lecture is quite unusual to say the least but at the moment I am getting interrupted with phone calls etc. so the time I come off the phone the connection with Clare would have been broken.

What I am curious about and I am not sure if you can answer this, I would like to know what is under the right hand paw of the Sphinx. 

Claude: That one we can get Asa for.

Now I have decided to separate this lecture with Claude and have Asa on the next lecture which will take a little while to transcribe from audio tape to the computer so please be patient and keep an eye on the web site for more to come.

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