Natalie and her trance medium guides called Claude,  Elsie, Mael, Freddy and Robert. Lecture 031.

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Natalie's guides, Claude, Elsie, Mael Freddy and Robert.

Me, Good day Claude,

Claude, Hello, because there are only two others here tonight I am going to try a different sought of lecture, if that’s alright. I am going to try a completely joint lecture from each of our guides that runs on the same topic and it’s probably best that the other two ladies aren’t in attendance anyway. They can read the lecture on the internet, but particularly Andrea as she is incredibly sensitive.

I suppose we could say it would be touching on the way some of us died, but it’s also part of how we lived and it is more the battles we waged with ourselves and specifically if you do not know, I was a gunner in World War 1.

I do not want too see another war. I’ve already seen another war, we are already seeing another war, and we don’t want to see it spread. I know that there is very little that you can do here in this room but there are little things that you can do as much as you can. You do not understand what it is like, there are people who will possibly read this and they do, but it is so much concentrated hatred completely unreasonable.

A lot of the young men and now these days young women who hates their enemy and yet they will not understand their enemy. Hate for hates sake, hate because they’re told to hate and it’s so easy to fall into that trap when you’re young and idealistic and no good will come of it, nothing. War will not fix the world; war will destroy it because there is only so much the world can take before it fights back.

Perhaps people will see it as a superstition but there are many things the world is doing right now by herself to fight back, things we don’t notice as such. But you do not just destroy each other; death is inevitable, it will happen because it has to happen. However, the manner is not set in stone it’s very difficult to describe. If you’re meant to die, you’re meant to be shot for example; you could be shot in the streets of New York as long as you’re lessons run generally in the same way.

Hatred is never a lesson, it has to be stopped because we are in great danger of stirring up more and if we don’t stop it now, hatred will run completely out of hand and it’s very difficult to reign in once it’s begun and people will fight it initially, people always do, however, they’ll slowly give in.

Propaganda is ever so convincing. You may not want to believe it but advertising, newspapers and such will drag you in. You know their full of rubbish but you’ll believe them anyway because it is the only truth that you have.

But anything that you could possibly do to fight this then do it.

Thank you.

Me, Thank you Claude.

Elsie, Hello!

Me, Hello Elsie!

Elsie, I can’t really talk about what the war’s done because I’ve never lived through one we’ll nothing really on the scale that Claude was talking about. I’ve lived through famine though and that’s just another step in what war can do and just not war but hatred and misunderstanding of people.

Where you live, in a world where you walk into a supermarket and there’s food everywhere and you buy it with you’re money, it’s just there. When I was alive this sort of thing was completely unimaginable. So much food and so much wasted. The land, she provides for everyone. She has enough, you have enough food for every one in the world to eat and eat well. But it’s awfully one sided, it’s all over one side of the world. There are places that don’t even have supermarket in their vocabulary. They wouldn’t begin to understand, that would be like their wildest dreams. But there isn’t much that you can do unless you own several billion dollars because that in the end is what the starving people in countries is really about. It’s not lack of food or lack of any means to get it to them. Its right here, we have it. It’s down to “Oh that might cost me another million dollars to ship it all over. I could buy myself a car with that, another house, why do I need to feed fifty thousand people and legal things.

It’s all about power and like these starving people to keep on the theme that the world is a terrible thing, that’s all it’s about, it’s about power and it’s not about liberating people or making the world safe again. It’s about who’s the bigger bully in the playground and that’s not right. The reasons that you’re fighting now, we’ll not you personally, but the reasons the world is fighting now, not one of them is worth fighting for. But if they were really fighting for those goals they’d be doing completely different things.

That’s the media stuff that Claude was talking about. It’s telling you one thing, but nobody is paying attention to what’s actually happening you are not connecting. Their saying this and their doing this, well you are but you’ll like oh their a bit stupid. Their not their very clever.

I don’t mean that you’ll go out and sponsor a wee kiddie through one of those foundations because their just about power and money as well. The children will still starve no matter how many are sponsored, if everyone in the world sponsored a child they would still starve.

I think people will probably get very angry with me for saying that. I know it’s nice to feel like your doing something it really is but don’t put your trust in these big companies, because as soon as it becomes a big corporation most of the humanity drops out of it. Corporation makes money and that’s it. As soon as it becomes that corporation, it’s lost.

So I just don’t know what you can do about it, I really don’t. I know what you could do if I could get fifty thousand people to listen to me, but I can’t and I wish I could. But three people now have heard me and I’m sure many more will and even if only one person heard me, that’s worth it and maybe only one person will hear you and maybe you’ll feel the need to tell them what I said. But you don’t even have to say; oh this wee Irish lass that’s been dead for a couple of decades, well a lot more than a couple, so the least said is best because they will probably lock you up. But if you want to tell people I would be very appreciative, we all would be, because this is something that is supposed to go out of this room. Please let it be known.

Thank you.

Me, Before you go, what famine was you talking about.

Elsie, The potato famine.

Me, Thank you.

Mael, Good evening.

Me, Good evening Mael.

Mael, I find myself in a difficult position. My people were very war like and it is a war of the white people. This can cause anger because people do not like being defined as white people. But I mean people who are in the west countries and to the north of where I was.

We were very simple people and being a simple people is almost a criminal thing. We are simple we need to be subdued, we need to be taught, but I’d liked being a simple person, by your definition of simple, perhaps not yours in particular or yours, but by general society.

We had a very complex life-style. Our disputes were over food, over land we did not fight for philosophy, we did not fight to argue about God, we did not fight because of trade, we fought only for the well being of our people and we loved each other. My people loved all of my people; we did not love one and not the other.

If you were unhappy with something that happened you would tell the person that you were unhappy with. Why has this gone so wrong? Why do you fight over ideas, can’t you understand that every man has different ideas, completely different ideas. Once you accept that, once you learn how to say; I understand your idea, but this is my idea or maybe I do not understand your idea because this is my idea. Once you learn how to say that and then you shake hands and you leave, it is simple and yet white people have a enormous ability to complicate very simple things, it is that simple. Why does that man have to believe what you believe, it is not hurting you or your family that he believes in this. Why do you need to hurt him, is he hurting his family, it’s terrible. But there are other ways aside from aggressiveness that you can convince him not too.

It sounds very strange to people who have been brought up on the idea that violent angry people only understand violent angry actions. Some do, but there very, very few. Violent angry people are really simple violent angry people because they were born that way, it is not very common.

So stop and ask yourself why. Why is this person angry and perhaps you will understand a little? Perhaps it sounds foreign to you to think that he could understand somebody who does monstrous things and I would never say that monstrous things are ever forgivable. But the first step is always understanding, so try to spread understanding. It does not mean that you have to like the person. It does not mean that you have to like what he has done; it just means you have to understand it.

Thank you.

Me, And thank you Mael.

Freddy, A repeat performance and I don’t even have an audience.

Me, Don’t be disappointed.

Freddy, No, it’s quite alright I fully understand why the others ladies are not here tonight but it can be such a bitch sometimes.

I can’t say I have ever been in any sort of situation that’s been described. My hassles were always confined to studios and parties, if you call them battles; we had other names for them.

My battle was within and my message will be very simple. Ironically enough for me I can’t think up words to describe it. But honesty is very valuable because if you lie and conceal things you create a great deal of hurt for the people that you care for the most and perhaps you don’t even know those people. Perhaps those people care for you and you will never meet them in your life. But concealing things is another creation of these wars and battles and hatreds because it creates that misunderstanding that we’ve talked about earlier. When your friends and loved ones don’t understand what’s happening to you it can create a great deal of anger and frustration that you don’t understand yourself. They can be abruptly angry with you and you can sever a great deal of friendships.

So it does help to be honest even if you have been deceiving them for a little while. Because in the end you will look them in the face and tell them the truth and they’ all come back to you. Not only that it can help you face the truth yourself and sometimes that’s not easy. It’s quite easy to face it in your mind but to speak it, that’s difficult. But to see it when we’ve done something wrong or something is wrong and it could be very hurtful. But it is more hurtful not to tell them.

I will leave it there for tonight.

Me, Thank you Freddy.

Spirit, I haven’t spoken before for very long. Recent wars devastated my family. They took me, I was up there. I don’t want revenge. Too many of us were killed just that once. I don’t want more dying in the same way because it will happen if we continue to antagonise. Interfering was the reason they wanted to hurt us and they hurt us bad.

Thank you.

Me, Before you go, what is your name!

Spirit, Robert.

Me, Was you Jewish.

Robert, No.

Me, What war did you die in!

Robert, They haven’t named it yet. I died in the first tower. I have been here for a long time waiting to talk.

Me, It’s been a pleasure.

Robert, I will talk again.

Me, Please do.

Robert, I have a lot to say and I’m very happy that I came.

Me, So are we.

The Spirit called Robert was a Negro American who was in the first tower of the twin towers called the World Trade Centre that was destroyed on September the 11th 2002. Robert was at the near top of the first tower looking out of the window in disbelief whilst watching the aeroplane coming straight at the first tower and then crashing into the tower several floors below where he was standing.

Claude, And that’s particularly why I didn’t want Andrea here.

Me, That’s reasonable. But before you go I want to ask you a question. There is a guide coming through Andrea. I have the feeling that the gentleman was an artist and a politician he was also English. Can you tell me if I am right or wrong?

Claude, Yes, you’re right.

Me, Andrea will be pleased and thank you so very much.

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