Natalie and her trance medium guides called Claude and Ki a new teaching guide. Lecture 036.

Open your window to the world of life after death.

Natalie's guides, Claude and Ki.

Me, Good evening Claude and how are you.

Claude, Tolerable, feelings are somewhat divided at the moment.

Me, Why?

Claude, I am somewhat divided at the moment. Tonight I thought I would possibly try a new thing. The questions are so adored by Spirit and members of those in the class. Should be a question related, but nobody specifically talking, whoever is best equipped to answer the question shall answer the question.

I should get more practice in juggling guides.

We certainly do have a new guide tonight who has held back only because she thought that it would be some what overwhelming to have her and Asa together in one evening, so they will come in separately.

Me, Are we talking about Asa the other Spirit guide?

Claude, Yes, there is another that joins her.

Me, Tonight!

Claude, Yes!

Me, It’s going to be a very interesting evening. Are you going to give a bit of a rendition, or not.

Claude, No, I’ll let her now introduce herself.

Spirit, Good evening.

Me, Good evening to you.

Spirit, I will be called Ki, it is much easier for you to say than my full name and I do not wish any difficulty upon you.

I come from the city that is like gold, it is so beautiful and it shines so much that it is said that it blinds the sun himself.

I am from the same time as Asa and together we can teach you what you should need to learn.

Me, Thank you.

Ki, I am from the lower part, the south part of what you now call America.

Me, Interesting, would that be South America itself. 

Ki, Yes. I come from there when it was an ancient time.

Me, Would that be where the big temples are.

Ki, Yes, we form two of three parts, Asa and myself, of a learning triangle.

Me, Who’s the third bit in the triangle then.

Ki, Not introduced yet.

Me, Ok!

Ki, We are somewhat overwhelming presence. We are very wise and that knowledge is very difficult to take in, in all in one go.

Me, Take your time.

Ki, Is there any questions to start off the night.

Me, First question, how would you spell your name is it K-I.

Ki, That is it. It is abbreviated and I shall find a way to give you the full name. But not now it is difficult!

Me, Alright, I understand. Has anybody got any questions and don’t leave me hanging there. That silence, I hate it. What about you, come on chatterbox.

Kirsten, I’m still, (pause) I’m not here (laughter).

Me, No, none at all. Well I will have to ask a question. Perhaps this is a question that I shouldn’t ask, but can you describe to me and the class the other side, your world.

Ki, It is a dangerous question.

Me, I know.

Ki, There are no terms that I can describe it in that your physical eyes would understand. But it is like your warmest hug that you have ever experienced, but make that experience more than physical. Bring that experience to all your senses and then you have a fraction of an idea.

Me, Do you have scenery, like mountains, greenery, forests and the like?

Ki, We have the scenery that is here itself, but we have the scenery of what is not seen. The scenery that your eyes cannot tell you, it is almost impossible to describe. It is like describing a sound to somebody who is deaf.

Me, I really don’t like that answer.

Ki, It is a question that requires a lot of thought. There is scenery but you must understand there is no physical sight. Sight is when you see as a human being your sight is very limited, it is like looking through a tiny spy hole. You see all around, all at once. You see the colours of people. You see the colour of animals and plants. You see the very substance of things that are made out of and if you could see what we see, as human beings, no one could forget that. You would forget to eat. You would forget to breathe. You would be caught up in the singularly beauty of one rain drop. You would go from wonder to wonder every day. It is best that you see the mundane while you must take care of your physical body.

Me, So the other one is too intense for the average human being to see.

Ki, Yes, very much so.

Me, Interesting though! Are there any questions?

Lisa, Can I ask you about your pyramid temple, and what was the significance of the tiger outside of it, if it is not too impertinent?

 Ki, It is something that requires me to remember. I believe it is related to our gods of the time and protection as well as a kind of arrogance, but it is difficult for me to remember exactly. I am not trying to avoid your question, I am trying to remember, it was a very, very long time ago. It is something that I just accepted and hardly noticed. No, I’m sorry, there the only answers that I can remember. I shall see if I can remember more as thoughts are like unruly children and they runaway and only when it is time for dinner do they come back (lots of laughter from the class) so I’m trying to wait for dinner time.

Lisa, Thank you.

Me, Anymore questions.

Andrea, I have a question but it’s kind of unrelated to the time of when you were last on this Earth plane. I was wondering if you could explain to me a little bit more about how the soul enters the body on the moment of conception and what happens on that journey.

Ki, But that is really to do with what I do, I am answering questions and not just about my time. But it is a very big decision; it is you hate deciding to do that piece of homework you been avoiding, you realise you have to do it. Though some of us have different choices but that is a different lesson. It is like going back to sleep and your work reverses, your games are reality your reality is dreams it is very confusing. But it is like going into sleep, you decide to lie down, you make your plans. It is so difficult, with a human you think of plans, you think of writing lists, but it is not like that, it is not like ordered thoughts like that. You simply understand everything at once in what you have to do. Everything comes together and then you wish it to be, then you go to sleep.

While you are in the womb you lock up your Spirit. You keep it safe, you keep it hidden, it is very important that it is hidden. As the baby grows it gives time for the Spirit to reconnect, this is a hand and this is what a hand does. That is the true purpose of the gestation period. But as a Spirit as it grows and as you grow it becomes more and more familiar again of everything. As it learns to walk, it is not learning it is remembering.

Andrea, Thank you.

Lisa, Was it true then that the soul when it’s in the womb it’s like weightlessness with the body when it comes out it is actually feeling it’s own gravity. Is it true then that the soul in the body is feeling the heaviness, the density of the body or does it sort of remember the density of the body. Does my question make sense?

Ki, It does make sense. It is the final lock. Birth is the final connection; the shock of birth itself locks you into your body. Sometimes they will for any reason, for a lesson reason or possibly contradictory to what people have said for Spirit may back out. It is an ugly term, Spirit may not be able to go through, the locks may be broken, it may not have done it properly and it will leave again. Such as still birth, sometimes they will leave the womb, but these are most usually lessons for every one involved.

Andrea, Us! 

Ki, Oh yes!

Andrea, Thank you.

Me, Spirit’s opinion of suicide

Ki, What opinion is that, it is a lesson?

It is a sad thing for the Spirit inside that person and that person themselves must suffer to reach that decision and it is a very sad thing for us, because we don’t like to see suffering, even though we know that it is necessary, but it is not sinful. It sometimes creates a debt but we forgive that, we do not judge.

Me, So if it creates a debt does that mean that debt comes back into another person’s life? In other words, when the Spirit is re-born again does that Spirit have to carry that debt.

Ki, Yes. It is not in all cases though.

Me, Where the suicide is concerned is that one of the lessons that the Spirit requires to learn.

Ki, Yes. It is like sudden death or even slow death. There is no manner of death that is incorrect.

Me, A little bit more detail on that one.

Ki, Whether you are murdered, whether you end your own life or whether somebody does it for you or it is just your Spirit has lived and your body has worn out or it is illness, none of these are wrong, none of these are incorrect. Sometimes people just do not finish their lessons, but they could not finish it and have somebody else take their life. But even in that there are lessons even not finishing a lesson can be a lesson.

Me, Complicated, but I think that I can understand that one.

Ki, Unfortunately it is very complicated.

Me, One more question. The person that decides that they want to commit suicide, but they are extremely sick and cannot move and then a loved one will then create that situation for them so that they can end their life. Is that also a lesson within the other person?

Ki, Oh yes that is a big lesson! To love somebody so much that you would let them go is a very big lesson. To love somebody so much to hold onto them, well everybody does that. But to love them so much that you would do that. You would let them go from you forever knowing that they cannot come back to you except in Spirit again and even sometimes you do not believe in Spirit, that is a huge lesson and it is a big lesson on the part of the person who decides that their life needs to be ended, because they are fully aware that they are taken themselves away from their loved ones.

Me, I thank you for that.

Lisa, Is it possible if one person tries to end their life, from what I have read and heard, is it possible for a previous arrangement before the soul came to Earth that they go back in another soul, is that possible or does that happen, that’s what I’m asking. That its previously arranged if something happens on that life path and this person tries to take their life away because they do not want to be here anymore. Is it possible to have, like a swap so to speak with another Spirit or another soul from the fourth dimension?

Ki, No, you are locked into your body. You are too tied to it. You cut the cord with the body, it is dead. You cannot exist without Spirit. It exists physically, it cannot move without Spirit.

Lisa, What I mean is, does it always have to have the same Spirit, is it possible to swap with another Spirit if the life is too much for that particular one and it wants to go through suicide, if you know what I mean.

Ki, I do know what you mean, but no. I never count anything as impossible, but I have never experienced or know of this happening at all and I cannot see any reason for it to happen. I could not see any lesson for it being created.

Andrea, People who have out of body experiences, what does it mean and is it dangerous.

Ki, That is not dangerous it is a very complex form of dreaming. When you dream it is a sort of out of body experience, dreaming is very complicated. You are tied to this body, but you’re just using more of you’re Spirit’s than most. Sometimes this is accidental, it is tied in with the amount of you’re brain you are using. You are only using a part of your brain.

Your brain is like many, many, many rooms with doors and most of them are locked, you only live in about three or four of them. It is like a big mansion that is full of rooms and windows. You in a way stay in you’re body in the way you move about, it’s very complex to explain, I never realised how complex it is. I am back tonight in a restricted body and I can see that this is what it’s like. So the answer to your question is that it is not dangerous.

Me, You’re going to have to bear with me on this question because it can go from one thing to another. When we look at this class, now this class is very important to me, it’s important to the people that are in the class. How important is it to the world of Spirit.

Ki, It is a big wide door. We live to teach, we’ll some of us do and it is a big, big opportunity to teach and teach correctly. There are so many who take our words and say that they are something else. They give us meanings and we are not meanings. It is like finding a perfect piece of cake that does not make you fat it makes you thinner.

Me, Yes, I need that. (Laughter from the class).

Ki, It is like finding that it is. It is everything we could have hoped for.

Me, Thank you for that. Some of the classes that I have experienced in the past have always used the term “Like attracts like” So when it comes to Spirit hitching on to a human being is that true, like attracts like. Was Spirit like that then when they were last alive or is the term wrong.

Ki, This is interesting. It is not always so. It is not that we are alike; it is just people that we would get along with. Because in a way it is similar to a human relationship, friends and such, but to people around you are similar in a certain way but they are not exactly the same, very close like you. We feel we connect better with people that have similar things in common with us, but that does not always happen. You can talk through a person who is completely different but you usually do not stay with them.

Me, Well that makes more sense because there can’t be lots and lots of people like me, no way.

Ki, Certainly not, but there are things in common, because there lots of people that are the same and there are people that are sort of similar but not the same enough as the people that run these classes probably mean.

Me, Alright then, let us assume just for a minute, one particular thing does come into my mind. There was a person that I knew called George who died in late 2002 and I do know that he is here in this room at the moment. One of his main Spirit teaching guides was a Spirit called The Rabbi and I think from around the late seventeenth century and he was of German descent. Now this particular Spirit called the Rabbi would not be with George anymore. Now would this Spirit called the Rabbi connect with another human being who is in this type of work?

Ki, It depends upon how much there’re connected with the medium, because sometimes if the medium is fairly close to this Spirit it is just like another loved one and they spend more time around the Spirit and even though they cannot be a medium anymore, but they can go onto another person. There are guides that specifically exist to teach and I am one of them and Asa, she is another, we have chosen to teach. We are like roving minstrels, we will stay with a certain person for many years, maybe right through until they die but then we can go onto another person.

Me, Alright then, let’s just take this one step further then. Let us assume that there is a particular guide with Kirsten one of the ladies in this class. Now can that guide leave Kirsten and go to another person and then maybe go back to Kirsten.

Ki, I see where you are coming from because there are people who say that this is not right.

Me, That’s right.

Ki, And cannot another person spend time with one friend and then spend time with another and then go back to the other friend. It is maybe that the first friend is their best friend and that the other is just a normal friend. It is like that, we are not tied to a person, we can move around. Sometimes we do not because we like a person so much, sometimes we do. We don’t always stay in this circle perhaps because others, I am not talking about anybody specific because this circle is quite unique and I cannot think of any cases that I’ve seen for I’ve been in this circle since this circle has been beginning. I cannot think of any example I have seen of anybody leaving this circle to talk outside, but yes a guide can talk through anybody here, I can move around, I do not mind. (Laughter from the class).

Me, That makes more sense to me than somebody turning round and telling me in the past that once a Spirit guide elects a human being then they stay with that particular human being for the rest of their life and I’m thinking that does not make no sense to me.

Ki, It would be very boring.

Me, It would.

Ki, Because that would also indicate that they do not move at all and it is very selfish to think that. But I think maybe that the people who make this rule want to be important.

Me, Oh, well done, we know that one.

Ki, They want to say that this is mine and it is not anybody else’s. I will not share this, they are greedy people and their Spirits are probably sitting back and laughing and saying that is a silly, silly attitude and they may tell them different but if they don’t want to know then they won’t hear.

Me, This is what this circle is for.

Ki, Oh they will call you a fraud and they call you a person who is making up lies because they know the truth. 

Me, I am used to be calling a fraud.

Kirsten, George wants to know why you are so interested in the Rabbi when you have got him.

Me, The reason I’m interested in the Rabbi was because the Rabbi stayed mainly with George and the lectures that the Rabbi used to give were absolutely extraordinary. George is there but what George is doing at the moment he is not letting me know whatsoever and eventually when George does decide to come through it will be good.

Kirsten, It will be different.

Me, That’s fine, so he will definitely come through and give lectures as well.

Kirsten, I think so if that makes sense.

Me, Alright then!

Kirsten, He’s just being cheeky.

Me, I know he’s being cheeky; he’s going to know from me. I learnt from George because I didn’t learn from anyone else, even though he decides to sit on his backside on the other side of life and watch me work, he could come over this side and do a bit of work for me in this class.

We have great opportunities tonight ladies so let us not let it go. Now you Ki can have a bit of a yarn yourself.

Ki, There is something that I have been noticing as I look at the statuettes, vases and pictures that people desperately trying to prove a connection between Egypt and themselves. I am looking at the statue and I am looking at the Chinese statue and I’m thinking that they are not that much different. You may think that there is a dog thing and a cat thing but they are all sitting the same way. It is like an artist’s impression of exactly the same thing and I’m thinking of my own art, not my art of course but art from where I lived and it is very, very similar. I cannot understand how people cannot see the connection; I think that it is very strange.

Me, For me the statues are there because I like them. The vases are there because I like them. I have a Guardian Spirit whose name is Youseffa who was an Egyptian in the hose of Rameses the second and he was a high scribe and there is a connection there for me where these statues and the like are concerned, but I have always liked Egyptology.

Ki, You are lucky to have him as a guide.

Me, I know.

Ki, It is not a comment on the ownership of the statues, I just wonder where the peoples minds are in this age that they wonder I can’t find any proof, I think that they are similar, they have little bits of proof and yet we have big pyramids, they have big pyramids and they might be similar somehow. Maybe they should open their eyes and look. They will see that they are both somewhat a triangular shape and they are big and they are still standing. I think that it is very strange that people still refuse to believe.

Me, Well it is only a minority that believe in the Spirit world.

Ki, Yes, that is true. We prove ourselves to people all of the time, but they explain us for natural reasons.

Me, I read an article a while ago that when a person is taking photographs there are sometimes when Spirit will purposely walk in front of the camera whilst the photograph is being taken. Is there any reason why they do this?

Ki, I can only think of it as cheekiness. We do get exasperated with people that they do not believe and they explain the reasons that they say Oh! my god and books say’s that you do not exist. The books does not say that Spirit does not exist, if anything the books say’s that Spirit does exist but they just don’t believe for different reasons. They don’t believe because their scared. People are scared of other people all of the time so it is natural that their scared of people that they can’t see. Their scared of people that they can see. We always try to make people believe, we try and say that we are here and for those who still believe there is a reward here and say, see I am not crazy and for people who don’t believe sometimes it changes their minds and maybe that is the first step into this path. Maybe it will make them a little more open and then their children are a lot more open, there are many reasons.

Lisa, I feel very strongly about angels or what I consider to be angels as I feel that I have had experiences with them. But now I’m starting to think, is that my interpretation of calling this Spirit an angel that somebody else would call it something completely different. I suppose it really doesn’t’ matter what I call them really does it because it is the same thing isn’t it. It is just my interpretation of what I think or I believe. Would I be correct in saying that?

Ki, Well, it is difficult question for you to ask because that is a big belief of yours and you are scared that I will say that they do not exist aren’t you.

Lisa, Not scared but what I am saying is it a confirmation then that even though I might call them angels am I right in saying that someone else might call them something completely different, in actual fact that they are the same thing whether they be called angels or beings from somewhere else or what.

Ki, Well I must clear up another thing here. A lot of people do mistake Spirit for angels, but that does not mean that do not exist and this is an ugly word for them because it conjures up pictures of big white dresses and halo’s and silly things. They are part of our scene, like there is a big thing of things that you cannot see and cannot feel and they are a big part of it. Yes, other people would mistake them. It is like Spirit, some people call Spirit ghosts some people call Spirit demons, It is like that, they get mistaken and they are a different type of being completely, like a different type of animal. Although you may think it’s not very intelligent. It is a different type of em, em, em, I do not like these words. (Laughter all round from the class)

Lisa, You choose the words.

Ki, I just can’t think, I was going to say fairies but fairies are terrible words for what it’s being made into, sometimes they are us, sometimes they are angels and sometimes they are yet another type of unseen.

Lisa, The angels that I’ve seen are like just being white. To me that’s what I call an angel, that’s the experiences that I’ve had. If anyone else would say, oh well it’s an entity or it’s some spiritual being or whatever, sorry about the phrase, is it an actual fact really the same sort of thing other than being a Spirit of someone who has passed over. I do understand the difference between the two.

Ki, Well, you are more correct in saying about the definition of angels than possibly people forms with wings because they are not related to the human form or Spirit form at all. They are somewhat like light but in a different sense of light which again goes into things that you cannot see. But in your eyes possibly yes, this how they possibly would appear.

Your mind does very strange things, sometimes they can push them into a human form, but that is your brain in protecting of you. If there is something that is so totally sensationally unbelievable comes running down the street, it is entirely possible even if it is fifty feet tall and bright green you will not see it, because your brain will say, no I cannot handle this, and you will not see it as it is like that sometimes. But yes it would possibly be called a different thing an entity or something like that.

Kirsten, What’s their purpose, is there a difference between say you’re an angel and Spirit, what’s the difference.

Ki, Well what is your purpose in life?

Kirsten, Well I don’t know, I thought that’s what where searching for.

Ki, We cannot name what the different purposes are but they are more completely tied in with love while Spirit is learning where angels be love. It is a very, very broad category.

Kirsten, Thanks.

Me, So would an angel just for arguments sake be higher up the ladder than what Spirit would be.

Ki, Oh yes because they are not tied to any form, they do not have to continually come back. It is the path of choices that one Spirit can make.

Me, So Spirit can actually choose if it wants to become higher if it wants to.

Ki, Yes, it is not always continually recycled it would be very pointless if it is just going to continue or just going round and round. It can choose but it has to of gone round a certain amount of times. It cannot just go round twice and say okay I’m ready to go higher. I myself have chosen to become a teacher here, I will not return to this Earth plane again, I will continue to teach.

Me, You lost me. In other words that when you leave this Earth plane, you’ll leave this class then you’ll not come back to the Earth plane again.

Ki, I’ll come back to teach but I will not come back as in a person. I will not be born again because a lot of the people that came from where we come from originally, before we moved become like us, become teachers. That is why there are so many Spirits who are Egyptian, who are Aztec and Almac. That is why there are so many. Think about it there weren’t that many of us in comparison to the different races of the world and this includes Native Americans also. In life they learned so much and in Spirit they gathered knowledge continuously about Spirit and they come back and teach and they keep teaching. It is a big thing isn’t it.

Me, I’m not sure if we understood the right question because it’s obviously that I’ve said it in the wrong manner. You come to this class to teach.

KI, Yes.

Me, When you finish teaching with this class, you will not come back to the Earth plane again as a Spirit.

Ki, Oh, I will come back to the Earth plane again as a Spirit, yes, I will teach another class, I will teach more people. That is what I have chosen to do; I have chosen to keep teaching. I have taught before and I will teach again.

Me, But you will never come back to the Earth plane as a human being.

Ki, No. I have got to the level where I have been given choices.

Me, I see what you mean.

Ki, You have described your learning as going to school.

Me, That’s right.

Ki, You go to school, you go home and you do another year at school, you go home and you do another year at school. But when you have finished school then there’s another step and this is the step we teach about. You said that there is more for you to learn and that you haven’t learned anything new in a long time, well then it’s time for you to learn.

Me, I’m pleased about that one.

Ki, Then you’re learning then. (Laughter from the class).

Me, It’s just that I have an attitude of mind and we go back to one of the other questions as there is so many people out there that say that they can do this that and the other where development classes are concerned and they set down rules and their rules to me are wrong. Like there is your chair in that particular spot in the room, or the development class has to start at a particular time on a particular day. There should be no laughter or jokes as it has to be a serious class, or placing gem stones under each chair and so on and so on.

In this particular class you can move from one spot to another within the class and the Spirit guides of the class members move with them. We joke and we laugh but the teaching is there just the same if not better. I do get quite annoyed that other development classes lay down sombre rules. A development class should be enjoyed.

Ki, I don’t blame you this is probably insulting but deliberate stupidity is frustrating. Deliberately covering your ears and you say I’m not listening to this because it’s not what I want to hear. I want my world to be cut up in nice neat little packages, it serves no purpose. Why continue with an idea that you’ve been proven is wrong, why continue with it just because you don’t want to admit that you’re wrong.

Me, True.

Ki, It is painful to turn around and say I was wrong, that was incorrect for me to say that, I have learned something different and that is right. But it is very painful for people to say that. It’s like saying that I’m sorry. But there’s nothing in itself in admitting I am wrong I’ve found something wrong enough to say that I wish I didn’t do that.

Me, No, because unfortunately there are some classes in Australia that are so selfish that they just keep some of the knowledge to themselves and will not willingly share it with other people.

Ki, There are classes all over the world like that. They need people who aren’t worthy of learning, everyone is worthy of learning. Everybody who has come far enough to ask is worthy of learning.

Me, Well done. Is there anymore questions! (Pause) None, you must be all overwhelmed.

Ki, It is now getting late and it is probably time for people to sleep and go closer to Spirit in their dreaming.

Me, Okay, will you be coming again?

Ki, Yes, both Asa and I will be teaching most definitely. This class is like a big tempting thing and we both see it and we say ah, there are people who want to learn and people who will listen, we will go there and we say look there’s somebody that we can go to and hear, this is getting better. (Laughter from the class) and now there are people who listen as well. Yes we will be back.

Me, Will you and Asa come back together or will it be one of you on one night and the other the following night.

Ki, We will come back together and this class was meant to have lots of different guides come through but this is just my new thing so I (pause).

Me, So you hogged the night. (Laughter from the class).

Ki, I did, I did. (Laughter from Ki and the class).

Me, That’s fine because it’s a learning experience for you anyway as well as it is for us.

Ki, Yes, it is a different class, a different person (teacher), it is all new activity again.

Me, Alright then! Well done and thank you for being with us tonight.

Ki, Thank you.

Every member of the class also thanked Ki for being with us tonight.

Claude, Well, who was I to object.

Me, Is there anything else.

Claude, No, we will leave it there absolutely.

Me, Alright then!

Claude, It did not go quite like I planned but I believe it was probably better.

Me, It was interesting, very much so.

Claude, I haven’t really been speaking very much have I?

Me, No, it’s been a bit of a disappointment.

Claude, Yes, well we might try and change that very soon.

Me, Alright then, so that will be a goodnight from you tonight.

Claude, Yes.

Me, Alright, thank you for being with us.

Claude, Thank you for having us.

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