Natalie and her trance medium guides Asa and Mael. Lecture 041.

Open your window to the world of life after death.

Natalie's guides Asa and Mael.

An introduction from me regarding the lecture from Asa.

The week previous to this lecture I was talking to the people in my advanced class regarding the seven planes of existence that Spirit goes through before the Spirit reaches the god-head to be spun off and split up into sixteen parts, sixteen spirits. That is what I was taught by an Australian spiritualists centre in the outskirts of Melbourne very, very many years ago.

Asa who is a teacher on the Astral plane and has been in the class before came through and told me and the class that that teaching was wrong. I asked her if she would come back the following week and lecture us on how the Spirit actually does evolves and she said that she would and this is her answer.

Me, Good evening Claude.

Asa, It is the second time you have mistaken me.

Me, Claude is supposed to come in first.

Asa, Claude is not with us tonight.

Me, Asa!

Asa, Yes.

Me, Welcome!

Asa, Thank you. You have questions.

Me, The same questions as last week, Spirit, the birth right the way through.

Asa, Could you please be more specific so my answers can be more specific

Me, Last week I was talking about the seven planes of existence and the sixteen parts of the Spirit coming together in the sixth plane, the Para- Nirvana plane before they go to the next plane which is the God-Head to again be spun off and become sixteen parts again, for example To become sixteen individual Spirits and then you came in without no warning and you said “stop, what you are saying is not quite right”. Now does that refresh your memory, (Asa nods her head) are you sure!

Asa, Yes.

Me, Good!

Asa, I was just curious as to which part you wanted me to explain, for you did not want me to talk in riddles.

Me, All of it!

Asa, When you depart this Earth plane, you do not raise levels. What paradise is there then, the Astral plane. They say there are different levels of paradise, but that is like saying there is more than infinity. Human comprehension of what paradise is is limited, there is no comprehension of what the Astral plane is like and there is no way to explain it, but those here on the Earth plane can’t understand where you even begin to imagine, so you have much, much to look forward to.

There are no sixteen pieces; your Spirit is your Spirit and your Spirit journeys continuously and learning continuously, for when you are done with your lessons upon this Earth plane the universe has no barriers. There are other places to learn, other things to learn, things that this human form could not possibly achieve, and then, it is mistaken that you are reborn again as a wanton Spirit. Yes, you do come back as a wild Spirit but you are not reborn, you still have the memories of your journey, but you are learning new lessons for the worlds, the universe is progressing. You learn lessons on this Earth plane; you have learnt lessons on an Earth plane in another section of the universe. You come back and that section of the universe has changed, change and evolution and other planets are born, other planets die. That is the truth of it.

I’m sorry that I cannot tell you the purpose of this journey that is not information any Spirit can give you. Though I know you’ll all wish to know, but I’m very sorry I cannot say, because even Spirit does not know fully. We have a better comprehension, but that comprehension is a lesson that you must earn yourself. We cannot give it to you anymore than we can tell you exactly how to get through the lessons of your life. We can suggest what is coming; we can help you to be happier and a better Spirit. We can help you achieve like a teacher. We can give you the pieces but we cannot do the final exam for you.

Me, Can I ask a question as there is going to be many? So what has been sitting out there where a Spirit will go through many lessons on this Earth plane then go back to the Astral plane and later on come back again and again and again until the Spirit has learned all the lessons and then can come back as a Guardian Spirit, is that correct.

Asa, Yes, there is not all the lessons, to learn all the lessons that there is to learn on this planet, the planet will not survive that long, the planets birth and death itself is too short a span for every lesson there is to learn. But there are many other places like Earth. But I will put it into terms like your schooling. Your lessons to become a Guardian and perhaps move off onto a new Earth plane, they are like all the lessons from the smallest child to the oldest child in one primary school, you have six or seven years, it is like that where you decide as Spirit you will have six to twelve lesson spans upon this Earth.

Me, You’re talking about life spans.

Asa, Yes.

Me, Alright, that’s fine. Now there are no other levels that the Spirit has to travel on that’s been taught before like the Mental plane, the Buddhic plane, Nirvana plane, Para Nirvana plane and the God head.

 Asa, You know that, you never believed that anyway.

Me, No, but there was a case of having to at the time you understand that don’t you.

Asa, Yes I do. I to was bound by the customs in what I was supposed to believe, even though in my mind and my heart I knew different. But no, there is no way there could be more levels, I will not say it is impossible for I have not experienced everything that is possible, but as it is described that is not the way it is.

Me, Alright, I accept that because that makes it more truthful, but Spirit is infinity is it not.

Asa, Yes and Spirit’s memory as well, it has limits, but it is like the human memory is the size of a grain of rice and Spirit’s memory from that grain of rice stretches far, far, far beyond the horizon. 

Me, Alright, where Spirit is concerned there is no birth and no death, yes or no.

Asa, Yes.

Me, There is birth, there is death.

Asa, No, I’m saying yes you are correct.

Me, Oh good, that’s nice to know. I’m going to change the subject just one little bit, is suicide a requested lesson by Spirit.

Asa, Yes. It is not planned as such; it is a death like any other. That is the time to die.

Me, Okay I accept that one. Can you talk a little bit more about the Astral plane and the world of Spirit and what they get up to on that side without divulging secrets of course.

Asa, I will explain only the things that I can explain that you can understand.

Me, That’s fine.

Asa, We try and continue our master piece and make her happy and we try and give love to those who are living for they are just like us. We teach, we embrace, and we continue our journey of learning still. Where the Astral plane is all giving, where it is different from the Earth plane, it is like the opposite where your bodies have to take and your nature is taking in Spirit it is the ultimate joy to give.

Me, Alright! How many Earth lives would a Spirit go through before becoming a perfected Spirit like a Guardian?

Asa, That is up to the Spirit, but there would be usually no less than twelve, usually.

Me, What’s the limit?

Asa, There is no limit set; you set your own limits.

Me, Has anybody got any questions?

Lisa, You mentioned before that there were other planets that Spirit goes to and learns lessons on them and you said that they were much like Earth, are there any other planets that are very different to what we would experience as far as learning lessons goes on Earth.

Asa, Of course, the universe is infinite, possibility is also infinite. I cannot explain it in too much detail for it is just an incomprehensible thing.

Lisa, As Spirit uses a body to experience life’s lessons does the Spirit use some other vessel or body on these other planets to learn their lessons?

Asa, Some of them, some of them it is pure Spirit some of it is entity.

Me, So in other words there is other planets very similar to the Earth plane but in different solar systems.

Asa, Yes, for you have to learn lessons that you could not fit in the life span on Earth. That’s how things that you could only learn in such a form.

Me, So really Spirit goes on forever.

Asa, Yes.

Me, Well, lets get this down to the nitty gritty, when we are talking about forever, in other words I’ve always taught people that there is no beginning and there is no end, am I right in saying that.

Asa, Yes, how could there be an end, what would be beyond the end.

Me, I accept that.

Asa, I do not like to go to deeply into the said subject for it can be an incredibly frightening thought for those on the Earth plane who have only known beginning and ending.

Me, It is not a frightening thought it’s an excellent thought. Who would like to have an end?

Kirsten, Me.

Me, Well, trust you. (Laughter from the class)

Asa, Many people would.

Kirsten, It’s tough learning lessons.

Me, You’re a cheat. (Laughter from the class).

Asa, There are many, many enjoyable lessons, but we just do not see them as lessons because they are enjoyable.

Me, Will you becoming back to the Earth plane as a human being again.

Asa, No.

Me, But you’ve been gone something like about three thousand Earth years if not longer have you not.

Asa, Yes.

Me, And your quite happy just to wander around and teach.

Asa, Yes, I’ve been teaching since I gained the strength to be able to.

Me, Have you got anything else to say regarding this particular lecture?

Asa, No, I think I’ve said it all.

Me, Alright then. Has any one else got a question.

Kirsten, Is it possible for a certain Spirit has learnt so many lessons for them to come through an environment like this and perhaps give misinterpreted information where as a more advanced Spirit would have different answers.

Asa, That has happened and it would not be in a circle such as this, it would be in an uncontrolled circle. Circles such as this have protection and any Spirit who does not know how to put his or her answers across clearly would be politely expelled.

Kirsten, Thank you. Say that there are certain circumstances like during your lifetime that you might find difficult or not understand. Once you’ve passed over do you have a better understanding of how things fit in and therefore perhaps have more empathy with people still living.

Asa, Yes, I will put it like this, has things ever happened to you when you were a child that you did not understand and then when you were an adult you looked back and suddenly see the truth in it, it is like that.

Kirsten, Thank you.

Me, Is that it for tonight Asa.

Asa, Yes.

Me, I am pleased to have you here anyway and thank you.

Asa, And thank you.

Mael, Good evening.

Me, It’s got to be Mael.

Mael, Yes. Though we have talked of such deep matters before this instant, we return now to Earthly things and what I consider to be what Spirit is here to teach. I am here to warn you in a way for I seem to be the only one who wishes to pass along the messages that I hear within the Earth herself and the things that I perceive. For each and every Spirit guide has a different area that they are attuned in with. Sometimes it is obvious like healing but sometimes it is not so obvious. But I know that you are all concerned still about the terrible wrath of the ocean that happened and some of you and many people fear that such a thing will happen again. I will say this, there were many warnings, Spirit and the Earth is kindly to those who walk upon her face. She sent warnings, she sent weather, she sent climate, she sent small tremors to warn and yet nobody listened and like a mother she had to punish. If such a thing was to happen again, there will be warnings.

However the thing that is concerning me the most and I have very little doubt that it is concerning everybody in this room and many other people, we do not condone any man who say’s their belief is a reason to do horrible things. The old man (Pope John Paul the second) that has just joined us, though he will take a very long time to adjust, we let him be for as misguided as he was his intentions were always good. I fear it will not be so for who steps up to take the position. Their intentions will not be good and we will respond if it goes too far. Let the Earth and the people be warned of this. It sounds very grave but it must be known. There is a lot of turmoil in the air. I am positive that you have all felt something is wrong.

Me, Are we still talking about the same situation?

Mael, It is a growing situation this is just another part of the growing situation. Things are both growing towards understanding. We have on one side more understanding more cooperation with the Earth and on the other side we have less understanding and more destruction. Imagine the confusion that it is causing. So we are concerned and we wish to pass these concerns along to people so that they can be aware and slowly awaken.

Me, Okay that’s fine. Does anyone have any questions?

Lisa, What can we do to try and get through to people around us, what can we say to them to try to make a difference.

Mael, I believe I told you last week, just be the person that is inside of you and not the person that you wear on the outside for that mask is being put on people younger and younger. I am sad when I see children who wear the clothes and paint of adults and other such conceited and egotistical things, at least it is my belief that they are these. The children are no longer being children and adults therefore are getting more and more withdrawn.

Me, Okay then is there anymore.

Mael, Not for tonight.

Me, Thank you very much Mael it’s been appreciated.

Mael, Thankyou.

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